[identity profile] lucy-chronicles.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] therightfangirl
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=371

The full story above from the Bierfeldt V. Napolitano case suddenly changing the TSA rules. Gee, remember that Ron Paul guy detained at the airport and ya'll were SURE he was in the wrong? yeah. right. the SAME time as all independents, libertarians, constitution party et al were put on a 'danger, potential domestic terrorist' watch list in Missouri?

He's been vindicated. Read.

and to those of you who will poo poo this regardless, not one single cop or law enforcement can ever do wrong - good luck when you end up in the same situation... remember the author's tactics and advice.


Date: 2009-11-19 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elena23.livejournal.com
Ignoring all the self-congratulatory gibberish in the article, good for him. People fight laws and win every day. He did so within the system and as a result of his actions, the policy changed.

I haven't seen anyone here, myself included, state that police officers can do no wrong, only that the vast majority of them are working hard (and legally) to keep the public safe. They aren't responsible for making the law, only for enforcing it. If the law needs to be changed, we have a system for that.

Police officers should have no fear of being recorded at any time. We employ recording devices for our own defense every day. We use video cameras in our cars and video or audio recordings many other times. I record every statement given to me by a victim, witness, or suspect and I record every time I read Miranda. It works out in everyone's best interest.

Date: 2009-11-19 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] athousandsmiles
IAWTC

Date: 2009-11-19 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shellebelle84.livejournal.com
I agree, well put.

Hear! Hear!

Date: 2009-11-19 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carbonelle.livejournal.com
In the New York comp stat revolution that made the streets so much safer for everyone, saving thousands of lives every year (I'm probably underestimating that) it was the good cops over-riding the 20-percenters who didn't want tracking devices, recording devices, etc. in their cars that led the charge.

But I'd bet you hard money (were I a betting type, which alas, I am not--easy money, this time) our correspondant did not read any of the links I provided her earlier.

People like Mr. Bier are to be congratulated.

Date: 2009-11-19 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] izuko.livejournal.com
Chip on your shoulder much?

Date: 2009-11-19 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninepointfivemm.livejournal.com
Agreed. This is tiring.

Date: 2009-11-19 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mockingbird39.livejournal.com
Doesn't make him less of a police-baiting douchebag. Illegal or not, have a little respect and maybe don't hassle the guys keeping you safe, huh?

Respectfully, I disagree

Date: 2009-11-19 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carbonelle.livejournal.com
Bureaucracies go for the soft target.

There's always a temptation, especially the further the enforcement arm gets from the locals, to go after easy pickings, ignoring real threats. After all, wouldn't you rather hassle some skinny milque-toast-looking white guy in a suit who might be involved in some kind of white-collar crime, than go after a lawsuit-enabled-potential victim group member who fits the profile you're not allowed to use?

But men like Mr. Bierfelt need to follow their own rules: always treat the officers respectfully (even if the individual does not personally deserve it 80% of this fellows do, in spades) and the people who support him need to both reflexively give people who put their lives on the line for us the benefit of the doubt and support police who are cleaning up their department.

Date: 2009-11-19 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarletumbrella.livejournal.com
That guy is so brave. I'd never have been able to keep my cool like that. He's amazing. I hope I'm never in that situation, but will be taking note of his actions just in case...

Date: 2009-11-19 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lazypadawan.livejournal.com
Law enforcement, like any other entity, is as good as the people who run it and how well the regular guys are trained. I haven't had much more interaction with TSA than the regular person, but my experience with police officers is that there are bad ones out there but many are just trying to do their best in a dangerous, often politicized job.

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