Sex and the Democrats
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therightfangirlConsidering the fact that the Democratic party now expects us girls to vote with our vaginas instead of our brains, I think this ad is timelier now than it was 4 years ago (the video can't be embedded. So you have to go to YouTube to see it)
Believe it or not, that "sexy" commercial was a legitimate Democrat campaign ad (some republican smart-ass just added the color commentary). I just....don't see who they thought they were appealing to. Do they really think that so many right wingers are just dying to screw them? And that we'll change our vote to get in their pants (instead of just, y'know lying or not having sex with them at all). Seriously, what the hell?
Believe it or not, that "sexy" commercial was a legitimate Democrat campaign ad (some republican smart-ass just added the color commentary). I just....don't see who they thought they were appealing to. Do they really think that so many right wingers are just dying to screw them? And that we'll change our vote to get in their pants (instead of just, y'know lying or not having sex with them at all). Seriously, what the hell?
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Date: 2012-10-28 05:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-30 01:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-30 07:10 am (UTC)I'd have a lot more respect for these people if they could at least be consistent.
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Date: 2012-10-28 11:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-28 01:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-28 01:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-28 03:42 pm (UTC)If you are voting with your vagina and not your brains, if sexual freedom is more important to you than impending economic collapse - you are not thinking like an adult, you are thinking like an oversexed teenager and you need to grow up before you have any business having the right to vote.
I have a mental rant about this running around inside my brain right now, and it might or might not ever see pixels, but it's there nonetheless. America has for too long been run by children, thanks to overindulgent parents at the individual and societal level. The economic and foreign policy situation we have right now is the result. It's time to put the grownups back in charge and leave them there for a while if we are going to get out of this mess.
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Date: 2012-10-28 06:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-28 11:39 pm (UTC)And even if they WERE actively trying to restrict birth control, we have more important shit to worry about than getting free BC pills. If I'm unemployed and can't even get a job at McDonalds; the LAST thing on my mind will be getting laid!
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Date: 2012-10-29 01:23 am (UTC)"I wish my moderate Republican friends would simply be honest. They all say they're voting for Romney because of his economic policies (tenuous and ill-formed as they are), and that they disagree with him on gay rights. Fine. Then look me in the eye, speak with a level clear voice, and say, 'My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights, the sanctity of your marriage, your right to visit an ailing spouse in the hospital, your dignity as a citizen of this country, your healthcare, your right to inherit, the mental welfare and emotional well-being of your youth, and your very personhood.'
It's like voting for George Wallace during the Civil Rights movements, and apologizing for his racism. You're still complicit. You're still perpetuating anti-gay legislation and cultural homophobia. You don't get to walk away clean, because you say you 'disagree' with your candidate on these issues." -Pulitzer and Tony Winning playwright Doug Wright
Ayyyyyy.
Also, (and got defriended by multiple people and bitched out by one for doing so - woohoo political-unfriending-cherry popped!) - ohmygod, story of my life. I was BANNED by a longtime friend because I DARED to say that Sarah Palin had nothing to do with the Loughner shootings (Arizona, Gabby Giffords, etc), and linked supporting evidence. Classy.
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Date: 2012-10-29 02:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-29 03:02 am (UTC)Wow. Lovely. That quote's a doozy. This reminds me of the fact that leftists always act like conservatives are going to be shocked and horrified and full of remorse when they're accused of holding views that are, y'know, conservative.
I know that various members of the comm will differ with me on this subject, but my response (if there's any point in responding to this type of thing, which is doubtful) would be something like this:
"Gay rights" is a made-up concept, absolutely nobody is being denied "civil rights" or "personhood." You have absolutely no entitlement to imaginary privileges for being a member of a tiny fringe group, any more than people deserve extra "rights" for being left-handed."
I've seen it before, leftists think that conservatives will be like "No, no, I looooove gays/feminists/whoever, some of my best friends are gays/communists/whoever, I'm not that kind of big bad icky conservative!"
IMO it would blow their minds if someone simply stated that yes, they disagree with those ideas and that worldview, without waffling or apologizing one little bit.
Ranty leftist: You're against gay rights!
Unapologetic me: Yes. Yes, I am. Any other questions?
Ranty Leftist : But...but...now's when you're supposed to get flustered and apologize! *brain implodes*
I'm cynical enough to predict that Romney and Co. will fold on every single social issue, but that's just me.
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Date: 2012-10-29 04:03 am (UTC)There's so... self-centered, gawsh. It's like... I don't care what you think about me. I don't care if you're offended. I don't care about you, period. Get over it.
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Date: 2012-10-29 05:51 am (UTC)It wasn't an actual conversation, I was just being snarky...
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Date: 2012-10-29 03:11 pm (UTC)But to be fair, I'm under pressure lately. I'm Cuban-American and my mother (once a refugee) works for a big bank. So when leftists start threatening me, I take 'em seriously. And that leads to real anger.
I've been trying to get into Christianity to kind of... lessen my anger, but it's not working. They've wronged me one too many times, lol.
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Date: 2012-10-29 04:31 am (UTC)I'm sure you're right (after all, Romney's history of flip-flopping is his biggest weakness as a candidate).
However, social issues are at the bottom of the totem pole anyway. Romney became the candidate mainly because of his history of financial/economic savvy. No one with half a brain really gives a damn about minor social issues like gay marriage right now (which is why all this caterwauling about gays and women being in danger if Romney gets elected is ESPECIALLY ridiculous)
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Date: 2012-10-29 05:50 am (UTC)That's a much longer conversation for another day, but as I've said before, I find it very, very curious when people claim the social and economic realms are entirely independent of one another, as if these two things each exist in a vacuum and never interact, and never affect each other.
The breakdown of the family has a direct impact on people's financial lives. Personal behavior has a direct impact on our monetary concerns. I would really, really like to hear someone explain how being "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" works, because that, to me, sounds like they're really just a left-libertarian, or they're a conservative who doesn't want to think about the social issues.
There's no fiscal behavior versus social behavior, there's just human behavior.
The perfect example of how personal behavior affects us in terms of money and the economy, is when people become dependent on welfare and other government programs and subsidies, through their own irresponsible or at least questionable behavior. That's a direct correlation between personal behavior and a monetary effect on our society.
EDIT: When Sandra Fluke and Co. demand that we pay for her birth control, that's another example of how personal behavior can directly impact us financially.
I suppose that a true libertarian would say "you have a perfect right to be promiscuous if you want, but you can't ask anyone else to deal with the consequences or help you when things go awry."
I, on the other hand, would say "you have a perfect right to have sex however and whenever and with whomever you want, but some types of sexual/personal behavior are destructive and unhealthy, and while they will certainly not be *outlawed* or formally punished, they will be strongly discouraged through social/cultural pressure."
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Date: 2012-10-30 05:22 am (UTC)You make a good point. We wouldn't be in the mess we are today if "old fashioned" social mores like shame were still commonplace. And our generation of 20-somethings has a sense of entitlement that boggles the mind. In fact, I think the entitlement mentality is the biggest social issue we have to fight. That's the thing that fuels activists like Sandra Fluke to CHOOSE a Catholic school (ie one that would clearly have issues with paying for BC) and then demand that the school change the way it operates to suit her personal, non-Catholic beliefs. A rational person would simply choose a more compatible school. But Gerogetown is a top notch University. And Fluke believes that she's ENTITLED to not only have the best school; but to dictate how said school operates.
Sadly, I don't how we can go about making this generation grow the f**k up. Maybe being forced to struggle in Obama's lousy economy will make them learn.
I, on the other hand, would say "you have a perfect right to have sex however and whenever and with whomever you want, but some types of sexual/personal behavior are destructive and unhealthy, and while they will certainly not be *outlawed* or formally punished, they will be strongly discouraged through social/cultural pressure."
I hate it when people act of if that statement is just the slut-shaming ramblings of religious nuts. There is a middle ground between "anything goes" and "brand every unwed mother with a scarlet A".
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Date: 2012-10-31 07:03 pm (UTC)Exactly. See, this is why I consider myself a true libertarian and a social conservative at the same time, which somebody might consider contradictory or impossible.
Like I said, I'm starting to believe that virtually nothing should be formally regulated, but lots of things should be strongly *discouraged* through social/cultural pressure, on an informal, local, personal level.
If kids hear from parents, teachers, media, authority figures, and everyone in their community that XYZ behavior is negative and destructive, then maybe they'll be less likely to indulge in that behavior.
While we're on the topic, I think that any laws *against* homosexual behavior that are still on the books should be eliminated, too. I think there shouldn't be any formal prohibitions or sanctions *against* personal behavior, but there should be *cultural* sanctions against some types of personal behavior.
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Date: 2012-10-30 01:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-31 07:11 pm (UTC)If someone who's been divorced six times can get "married", if Kim Kardashian can be married for one month or whatever, and if Britney Spears can be married for twenty-four hours or whatever to some guy, then how meaningful is marriage, anymore?
Expanding the definition of marriage does NOT strengthen the institution of marriage. If you want to strengthen the institution of marriage, then it needs to be *harder* to get married and *harder* to get divorced, not easier.
If we really wanted to protect and bolster the value of marriage, we'd make it harder to get divorced, and maybe that would make people think twice before entering into a more binding contract.
TBH, if I were in a serious relationship right now and contemplating getting married, I think I'd just have a personal, non-legal, purely symbolic ceremony.
If the law has decided that two men are a "marriage" or two women are a "marriage" or somebody's fifth wedding is a "marriage", why would I want to participate in that institution?
Why would I want to place myself in the same category with Elizabeth Taylor or Kim Kardashian or a homosexual relationship?
Marriage is becoming meaningless.
EDIT: *harder to get divorced except in cases where there's something clearly unacceptable like physical abuse or infidelity, obviously...
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Date: 2012-10-31 07:45 pm (UTC)It's not meaningless to all the people that enter into it with the best of intentions and love. The actual divorce rate isn't the 50-60% of the population people like to cite....the statistic is wrong as someone finally did a study on finding out if it was true vs. one poll saying it's true. It's more like 25%.
Pastors have made it 'harder' to get married for a while, requiring weeks or months of counseling sessions before they will marry a couple to make sure they're prepared. It's the civil/legal contract that's so easy to enter into. Divorces used to be harder to get at the same time women couldn't legally vote or own property, and then in more recent history when a woman had legal rights but no financial options she stayed. In a world where men and women are equal, the most common thing couples fight about is money, so when times are prosperous for the majority, less couples will split. Fix the economy, and then the rest will sort out.
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Date: 2012-10-29 03:11 am (UTC)I've seen that one, too. And I've seen a similar quote about voting for Romney and Women's rights.
It's pretty gross that these leftists are comparing themselves to the Civil Rights Fighters who risked their lives everyday just to do basic things like ride the bus and go to school. Last time I checked, gays and women weren't being threatened with fire hoses just for speaking their minds.
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Date: 2012-10-29 04:19 am (UTC)Or literally sold as slaves, if you want to go further back in time...
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Date: 2012-10-28 05:02 pm (UTC)Somehow, I don't feel like I'm missing out on much.
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Date: 2012-10-28 07:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-28 05:51 pm (UTC)It's absolutely hilarious how little has changed.
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Date: 2012-10-28 07:50 pm (UTC)If this is what passes for deep gender political thought, I'm amazed anyone has any sex, at all, these days.