[identity profile] brendala.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] therightfangirl
I read While Europe Slept as few years ago and I HIGHLY recommend it to everyone here. Mainly because it's a good, well-written book about the threat of radical Islam in the west. But also because it provides hope that even the most ardent, kool-aid drinking liberal can see the light and join us in the good fight against the forces out to annihilate us.

While Europe Slept is Bruce Bawer's autobiographical account of his immigration to Norway in the late 1990s. Bawer is a gay American journalist. And he decided to move to Norway back then because he felt that Europe would be a more tolerant and safe environment for him as a gay man than the United States (a place that he felt was controlled by homophobic Christians out to oppress him).
.....and then he learned the hard way that he was totally wrong.


Through the course of the book Bawer highlights the anti-American prejudice he endured at the hands of the white, liberal, and "tolerant" Europeans (people almost always went into America-bashing tirades when they first met him). He also talks about the violence and intimidation he and his Norwegian husband went through at the hands of young Muslim thugs in their neighborhood (and his shock when he realized that the Norwegian cops cared more about appeasing the Muslim community than protecting women, Jews, and homosexuals from violence).

I didn't realize just how bad the problem was until I read this book. One heart-breaking example he mentions is a string of rapes in a certain French city. Muslim youths were raping French women as punishment for the "crime" of walking alone and/or wearing "slutty" clothes. In response to this string of brutal rapes, French officials advised women to dress more modestly and stop walking alone. They didn't condemn the rapists at all; they just blamed the victims. Because condemning their belief that women should be punished for walking alone and/or dressing immodestly was considered Islamophobic.



He basically makes the case that Europe's Muslim immigrant problems are the canary in the coal mine. And if Americans don't learn from Europe's mistakes, we're screwed.


Bawer's story about embracing conservatism and learning to love America after encountering liberal bigotry/incompetence firsthand really hit home with me because that's how I discovered it, too. It's great to see him realize that, although the USA and the Republican party aren't perfect; we're still leagues ahead of Europe when it comes to standing up to intolerance and Muslim extremism.



As cliché as this sounds; this book made me feel proud to be and American. Please go check it out!

Date: 2012-10-24 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neemarita.livejournal.com
That is so terrifying. I hear that in Britain it's getting pretty bad, especially in Scotland as they have a large Pakistani population. I recall hearing something about someone--was it the Archbishop of Canterbury? God, I hope not but my brain is going there and I'm tired but awake--saying sharia law was perfectly legitimate. Of course, we hear the stories about FGM and honor killings over in Europe fairly often these days. It's so horrific.

I'm glad nothing happened to this guy.

And people think Europe is so tolerant and wonderful... :/

I'm definitely going to check out this book.

Date: 2012-10-24 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neemarita.livejournal.com
As an ex-Episcopalian and granddaughter of an Episcopal bishop I am always disgusted with how the Anglican community handles...well...everything. Let's just say that if my grandfather did take the offer to become the Bishop of ECUSA things would NOT be as they are now, folks.

The Archbishop of Canterbury is pretty much an atheist, sigh, though I know he is infuriated by the liberties ECUSA is taking with gay marriage, funerals for dogs, praising abortion... urgh.

Baha, that is hilarious!!!

Date: 2012-10-24 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] guardians-song.livejournal.com
Glorious.

I love Iowahawk.

Date: 2012-10-24 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neverfading.livejournal.com

This sounds like a very insightful book. I read a few pages over at Amazon, and I'm intrigued.

"Bawer's story about embracing conservatism and learning to love America after encountering liberal bigotry/incompetence firsthand really hit home with me because that's how I discovered it, too."

Forgive me if this is nosy, but I'm curious about your story, in regards to this. Can you elaborate?

Date: 2012-10-24 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lazypadawan.livejournal.com
The late politician Pim Fonteyn saw what was happening in Holland with the increasing Muslim population and realized as a gay man, the party was going to end for him eventually. And he was killed for his views, all of the while castigated as a racist by the left. Anti-religion libertarian Theo Van Gogh met the same fate in Holland a short time later. Geert Wilders has to watch his back everywhere he goes. Hirsi Ali Ayaan had to flee to the U.S.. The UK bans Michael Savage but hateful imams are free to roam all over Ol' Blighty. For years the Scandanavian countries have tolerated increased attacks by "youths" on women, Jews, and gays. Malmo, Sweden is practically a no-go zone for Jews. The attitude by the government is, they would be nicer to us if we were nicer to them. Let's not offend them, everybody!

France seems to be one of the few countries trying to get a hold of the situation but the problem Europe has is that it seems incapable of respecting individual religious liberties, encouraging integration, and finding anything in between hardcore xenophobia and letting an incompatible culture overrun their own.

Date: 2012-10-24 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neverfading.livejournal.com
THIS.

Your observations are totally on-point. My question, though, would be this:

Clearly, these people don't want to integrate or assimilate.

We are not talking about Irish-Americans who celebrate Saint Patrick's Day, here. Muslims aren't going to engage in the type of assimilation where they keep a few token, superficial aspects of their culture while subscribing whole-heartedly to Western values and cutting ties with the more radical and destructive aspects of their home-culture.

I question whether there is really any such thing as having a dual cultural identity, having your cake and eating it, too. Multiculturalism is not a successful concept. It invariably means the host-country accomodating and capitulating to the minority, not vice-versa.

"Encouraging integration" is just another inadequate response to the problem, another Pollyanna-ish, idealistic Western idea. It's "Why can't we all just get along and sing Kumbaya?"

It's time to abandon any notion of compromising or negotiating with people who pose an active threat to our safety.

I would have no problem with the US and other Western countries totally cutting-off immigration from Muslim nations for a few years. Is that discrimination? Yes. But we need to get over this idea that discrimination is always bad, and that's a major mental hurdle for almost everyone, including people who are supposedly conservative, because the "tolerance, diversity, and mulitculturalism" concept has been pounded-into us so thoroughly that it affects us in ways that we don't even consciously realize.

The whole "we are a nation of immigrants" thing is leftist propaganda. There is nothing noble or beneficial about allowing totally unlimited immigration.

We (the West) are way, way past the point where any cautious measures will help. Cut off immigration from Muslim countries, and deport people who belong to radical groups or who publicly advocate violence. Period.

Not to be facetious, but I really get the sense that there are no part-time Muslims, so to speak. These immigrants are never going to have the mindset that they are American (French/Dutch/whatever) first, and Muslim second.

What they are doing is literally *colonizing* us: establishing little duplicates of their home-country, here in our countries. They have no interest in being American/French/Dutch/whatever, they are interested in spreading and expanding Islamic-ruled territory.

Their behavior and strategy is like that of parasites on a host-body, taking what they need from it while weakening it in the process.
Edited Date: 2012-10-24 11:12 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-10-25 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelincihutan.livejournal.com
I question whether there is really any such thing as having a dual cultural identity, having your cake and eating it, too. Multiculturalism is not a successful concept. It invariably means the host-country accomodating and capitulating to the minority, not vice-versa.

I've really got to disagree with you here. I lived in Indonesia, growing up, and while it's taken me some time going back and forth, I've finally settled into someone who does not subscribe to all the facets of Western culture or Asian culture. To be honest, the "third culture" between home and host is actually very similar among all those who have grown up "between cultures" as I did.

The trick to making it work, though, is to respect the culture to which you come (and from which you come). Because I was living in Indonesia, I felt responsible to learn to speak Indonesian, and to learn how to politely navigate ordinary social interactions like buying groceries and basic conversation. Because that's just basic courtesy that any expatriate should practice when coming to someone else's country. It doesn't mean you have to think the host culture is getting everything right (because nobody does that). But everyone that I've met who successfully integrates into a new culture has had a very similar view of...well, basically being a good guest until you get out of the n00b phase.

Date: 2012-10-25 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lazypadawan.livejournal.com
Integration is a complex issue and in Europe today, it's a two-sided problem. Europeans were traditionally touchy about foreigners and unlike in America, it was harder for an immigrant to be considered a German or a Frenchman even if he became a citizen. But in recent decades, there was an increasing number of people who had no desire to "integrate" and no reason to do so thanks to multicultural attitudes and the critical mass of immigrants from one place or from a similar culture.

Date: 2012-10-25 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] guardians-song.livejournal.com
Have to wonder if they're falling on their own sword with that one.

They didn't assimilate outsiders while they could, and now they're paying the price with massive amounts of never-assimilated outsiders milling about inside their borders.

That said, the results either way are terrifying.

Date: 2012-10-26 06:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neemarita.livejournal.com
I've never heard of her, so I looked her up. Damn, that woman has guts. I am glad she is speaking out. Perhaps someone will listen to her.

Date: 2012-10-27 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coldblossom.livejournal.com
My brother, who lives in Zurich, told me as much about Europe based on what he's seen/experienced. He basically said that, if you're not white and especially if you're a Jew, things will be much more difficult for you. I hadn't noticed until I started following the World Cup back when USA was a contender just recently but the soccer arenas are plastered with anti-racism campaigns...they actively have to promote that cause much like we promote anti-drug campaigns. So there is the intolerance of the different races towards each other.

Then on Reddit (can you tell that I'm on Reddit a lot? lol) posted this link (http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2012/09/28/pour-56-des-francais-le-racisme-anti-blancs-se-developpe_1767478_3224.html) to a French article which basically states that 56% of French thing that anti-white racism is manifesting itself. Someone there commented with the following:

The comments here are pretty funny, most of the people don't know what it's actually to live with immigrants who refuse to integrate. I come from a poor suburb close to Paris and I'm white. Let me tell you a little bit about my story. It starts with school, white people who consider themselves French are a minority. It's mostly arabic and black people who consider French an insult. People say white French people don't consider black people as possibly French? It's the other way around, black and arabic people equates French with being white. Growing up I had a few arabic and black friends, people who were well raised, so my post is not a generalization. Coming back to school as soon as grade 5 you are treated of "bolosse" "patrice" "french" because you're white, I had a big brother who was known to be pretty tough (now in jail), so I wasn't bullied. But for other white kids it was hell. Boys bullied. Girls sexually harassed because you don't harass your "sister (black or arabic) but with white girl it's perfectly fine. My sister got raped at 13 just when my big brother left and since then didn't leave home at all. Everytime she got home she was treated of "slut", "easy girl" because she got raped. I let you guess the origins of the rapists. Also, to enter my building I was searched by dealers, and there were part of the city I wasn't allowed to go in. I got mugged many times because I'm white (last time 7 guys following me, insulting me of "enculé de français"). Any reason is good to them, looking at them funny or simply walking by without lowering your eyes. Ofc the police never ever went into the city.
Even as a tourist you may have a glimpse of them, they are the same bands of 40 people in the subway occupying place like "gare du nord", mugging random people from time to time.
So I must be racist right? The fact that 95% of the people who made my life hell are black and arabic should not be told? You give me a black guy normally dressed and a white thug, I trust more the black guy. You give me 1 black and 1 white guy dressed normally, I don't make any difference. Sadly most (and when I say most I say most) of the young arabic and black are thugs. I'm actually sorry for the nice black and arabic people who have nothing to do with them.
When you live 18 years in fear whenever you get out of your home because you're white you have every right to criticize mass immigrations. Integration is 50-50, maybe France is not at its own 50, but I can say the people I was mentioning are at 0.

[link (http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/10nsk8/survey_says_56_of_the_french_think_that_antiwhite/c6f610u)]

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