What do you guys think of this?

[jessm78.livejournal.com]

Okay, so I watched the debate (sorry I wasn't here for the live post, was in another room from the computer all night). Apparently some people online are taking issue with the fact that Romney said "government doesn't create jobs", but they said he turned around and said his government will create jobs. Did any of you guys imply that from what he said during the debate?

I guess this is like a two-part question. There's an actor I kind of like (used to really like, but I've backed off a little mainly because the fandom is really crazy) who retweeted something that an entertainment blogger tweeted:

Romney continues adorable streak, insisting "government does not create jobs," then insisting HIS government will create jobs. #wtf #debate

My first reaction was to be a little pissed off and think "just when I couldn't lose any more respect for this guy..." He's usually the type of person who doesn't talk politics. He has made jabs at Obama at fan conventions, mainly his stimulus, and he did make a snarky comment during the primaries about Newt denying an "open" relationship but hid his affair from his wife, etc. This is a guy from Texas who for all intents and purposes is pro-gun, maybe socially liberal but I'm not really sure.

Does this tweet prove that he's in the tank for Obama? I know, I really shouldn't care, and I guess I mostly don't. But again it just grates on me to have to lose respect for yet another actor because they have to be a political moron. :P And that I'd have to stop watching their show, buying the dvds etc (even though I still like the show). How do you guys deal with being into tv shows where the actors' politics are completely opposite of yours? I guess it just makes sense to separate the person from their performance?

Sorry if this doesn't make sense... still early and I need coffee...

Comments

[dark-weezing.livejournal.com]

I'm 30, but I didn't really get into it, until the final season. (I didn't get CC until long after the show got cancelled, save for my grandmother's house, but I had little time to watch.) I definitely agree with you, in that, it's not as edgy as modern CC would want, so it would not work by today's standards.

Fun aside, I do want to re-watch certain episodes for their deconstruction of the values in the movies/shorts presented (40's-60's). I'm not saying they weren't wrong for pointing out X or Y or things that wouldn't play in the 90's or to modern ears, but these days, it would have been done in a much nastier fashion.

[jessm78.livejournal.com]

I'm 34 and I first heard of the show when I was about 15. We'd just got cable tv then, but we didn't have Comedy Central so I saw a few minutes of it at a friend's house (this was back during the Joel days... eep). When we finally got Comedy Central MST3K was in its final season on that channel. I saw a bit of it but wasn't really into it much. I really got into it when it started on SciFi, so I guess I saw the final 3 seasons. After SciFi canceled them, I remember seeing really cheesy movies on other stations and wishing the show was still around... figured they'd have a field day with them.

[dark-weezing.livejournal.com]

Indeed. I got into it in the 8th season, then Season 9 bored me -- I didn't like the Castle Forrester setting or the movies weren't as awesome in the riffs -- so I stopped. (The timeslot moving around didn't help, either.) Then, Season 10, when I heard the cancellation, I had to watch, so. After that, I've enjoyed it ever since (and mad as hell, as I didn't care for DVDs back then, and didn't get the Rhino stuff. Now, I want them, but no money for them. Sighs).

Yeah, of the two, I grew up on Mike, but I really dig Joel, these days. One big difference between the two, Joel criticized the movies, but not in a negative or harsh way. Mike, at least, character-Mike, he doesn't suffer fools much, shall we say.

[jessm78.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I admit I didn't like many of the season 9 eps (or the whole Castle Forrester thing). The one exception was the Canadian movie... The Final Sacrifice? With the chunky Rowsdower guy. The first time I watched that, there were times where I laughed so hard I missed what they were saying for a while so I had to go back and rewind. I never saw the Joel episodes first run, so I bought a few of them on Rhino video. And then I got into that whole "tape trading" ring and filled in more of the missing episodes.

That about sums it up for me. I managed to see Joel in one of the live Cinematic Titanic appearances about a year and a half ago. They were in NJ and I remember Frank in particular making quite a few "Chris Christie is fat" jokes. Which I guess was expected from him. Heh, totally agree on the Joel vs. Mike methods of critique.

[dark-weezing.livejournal.com]

Well, the Projected Man was mega-awesome, but the season otherwise.... But I agree that the Final Sacrifice was awesome, in its way. Especially the end with Crow making the TV series pitch to Mike in the end credits.

"Make everyone into a damn girl!" Which amuses me in light of DC's Ame-Comi line (which is one of the few modern DC series I really like) and it basically doing that. Prescient much?

And Frank, geez. You're not exactly super-slim, last I checked. Feh.

As for the critique, indeed. Another reason that, as much as I thought the riffing in the Sci-Fi run was sharp, the characters basically hating or undermining each other was a tad much. Plus, look at Bobo. He was never a genius, but did he fall hard. And, these days, I prefer Seasons 5-7, when the show was at its best.

[jessm78.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I enjoyed the Projected Man, too. The one right after it... Phantom Planet, I think... I thought was awful. I could barely stay with it and I think even their riffing couldn't save it. Yes! I loved that. The scene where the kid is looking at his map and at the landmark in the distance, and he has that weird, squinty-eyed grin, always cracks me up. One of them (Crow?) does this gravel-y laugh. Someone put that scene up on YouTube a few years ago. They repeated it three times and the third time they slowed it down quite a bit. Funniest thing ever, but Viacom (or whomever) made them pull it :(

Hah! My thoughts exactly. Whenever he said that, my then fiance went "Boo!" And I mumbled "You shouldn't talk, Frank."

I agree, it was a bit over the top. Bobo was kind of funny in the beginning, but then they really dumbed him down, and Pearl was always trying to blow him and Brain Guy up. I was excited to see the final season premiere when Joel and Frank guest appeared, though wasn't quite as good as I expected. And Gypsy PMSing was a little bit much for me. LOL

I think seasons 5-7 are my faves, too.

[dark-weezing.livejournal.com]

(Augh, LJ ate my comment.)

I'll concede that Phantom Planet is an acquired taste, but I did enjoy it. And, copyrights, yeah, why MSTies don't have nice things. Although, the latest DVD set has the Season 8 premiere, so this may be changing. I think enough time elapsed, so the copyright, owned by Paramount, could expire.

Why did he boo, if I may ask?

Yes, it's a shame, as many TV shows focus on a character trait and ovewhelm the character, over time. Because I like early Season 8 Bobo more than any other character --- until the bit where he ate an Observer's brain like a sandwich. That was funny, yet creepy.

And Gypsy, might be due to her actor changing hands, as Jim Mallon had other priorities and 8 years is a good run. 9 if you count the KTMA fare.

[jessm78.livejournal.com]

I may pull it out again one of these days and try to watch it. The copyrights thing annoys me to no end, but glad to hear the season 8 premiere is finally available.

He booed Frank's Christie cheap shot (my fiance was a conservative, too). There were maybe three that night, and they all came from him. I almost expected Mary Jo to join in, but not a peep from her. They did a good job riffing the movie, which was breathtakingly bad. It was called "Rattlers" and came out around 1976. Some really bad editing made for some good laughs.

LOL. I remember when I saw him eating the Observer brain for the first time... I was torn between laughing and saying "WTH?"

That could be it. The way she acted in that season 10 premiere I found a bit jarring, but I liked her the rest of the time.

[dark-weezing.livejournal.com]

I need to re-watch it, too. I finally got see Laserblast, via YOuTube -- though, it's out on DVD, finally. Boy, what a transition.

Gotcha. I thought you meant, "booing" at the "make everyone into a girl" line. Silly me.

Yes, I was torn, but the Observers making Pearl and Bobo fight in a later episode, made up for that. "And for your weapon, ape, the sea snail."

"My sea snail!"

Yeah, Bransteg's Gypsy takes some getting used to, but itI's okay. I love how she ditched Mike and the Bots after the SOL landed on Earth. She's "rich and famous, so screw you." Heh.