Ground Zero Mosque is "Go."

[coldblossom.livejournal.com]

That's what Fox News just reported.

The panel ruling on if the building the mosque would replace deserved historical-status protection decided--unanimously--that it didn't. So, the building will be torn down and this Cordoba Institute will take its place.

I seriously cannot belive this.

It is obviously a test, from the radical Muslims and from the Left. The Islamists want to see how far Americans will let them go with offending us in the name of "tolerance." The Left wants to see how the Right will react, and if/when something happens, hold it up as evidence of our radical tendancies.

Right now this seems like a no-win scenario. If Americans (right or left) continue to block this mosque or do anything to hamper its construction, vandalize it after the fact, etc, the Islamists building the mosque become the "victims" (Americans jumping to their deaths from burning towers 500 feet away? When did that happen?). If the mosque is built, the Islamists become the "victors." They will show their resolve to subdue and eventually conquer us is much greater than our will to resist them.

Now what?

Comments

[izuko.livejournal.com]

Let them be victims, then.

[langostino.livejournal.com]

Shall I put you down for a pitchfork and a hangin' rope, or would you prefer a torch and a shotgun?

[mosinging1986.livejournal.com]

This makes me furious beyond words.

The Left wants to see how the Right will react, and if/when something happens, hold it up as evidence of our radical tendancies.

That is exactly right.

That's exactly what this is, a test. I don't know what can be done legally, but they have to find some way to keep fighting this. Otherwise the Islamist/Left alliance will have won, and for all the reasons you have listed here.

This is an abomination. How DARE they?

[langostino.livejournal.com]

. . . how dare they use their building for the purposes they see fit? Gosh, it's almost like they think they can own private property or something.

[jonathankorman.livejournal.com]

I am a lefty, and I am not aware of anyone in my cohort thinking of this as some kind of test or deliberate provocation. It was conservatives who turned it into a controversy.

[clearlypellucid.livejournal.com]

Then you haven't been paying much attention. If you look into the facts at all, you'll see it's quite clearly a deliberate provocation. Even the name "The Cordoba Institute" is an insult if you actually look into it.

[izuko.livejournal.com]

Then your cohort are as mind-numbed as we always thought. If the right "turned it into a controversy" by taking offense to that which is offensive, then more power to us.

[mosinging1986.livejournal.com]

It was conservatives who turned it into a controversy.

Thank you for finally showing your true colors. I was one of the fools here, duped into thinking you were a reasonable and fair minded individual. You're just another, "It's all the conservatives' fault!" liberal.

I am happy to have that out in the open. Thank you.

[virus-x.livejournal.com]

Fine. Cool.

Now let's pass around the hat to build a memorial to the Israeli athletes murdered by muslim "Palestinians" in "Palestine", a monument to the MOSSAD avengers in Bethleham, and a victory monument commemorating the Jewish defeat of the muslims in the 6 Days War in Mecca. Give me the PayPal link, I'll contribute.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

I didn't know the WTC site was a religious place.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

the Islamists building the mosque become the "victims" (Americans jumping to their deaths from burning towers 500 feet away? When did that happen?). If the mosque is built, the Islamists become the "victors."

As New Yorker, let me correct your mistake (you are apparently in Arizona). The proposed center is not 500 feet away from the WTC site, it's two blocks away.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

It's also not a mosque.

[izuko.livejournal.com]

For those of us not in NYC, how far is two blocks?

[coldblossom.livejournal.com]

I read that in a news article, so...bad information. My mistake.

[langostino.livejournal.com]

Even if the committee had granted historic status to the building in question, the Cordoba House project still owns it and would have been allowed to open their cultural center. They just would have been prevented from altering the external appearance of the building is all. So a "victory" for you at the historical preservation committee wouldn't have prevented much of anything.

That said, did you really expect the committee to rule that the current building was a historic landmark? Do you really think the building is a landmark or important historically? Or would you have accepted a dishonest ruling, which was in fact motivated by a desire to stop the Cordoba House project for other reasons?

[rightsaidred.livejournal.com]

What's with all the trolls in this group lately?

[lizbeth-mairead.livejournal.com]

I was about to say the same thing...

[langostino.livejournal.com]

Nobody is trolling. Disagreement and providing a few (perhaps disagreeable to the OP) facts do not constitute trolling.

[lazypadawan.livejournal.com]

Legally-speaking, there wasn't a heck of a lot anyone could've done to stop it if the outcry wasn't enough to persuade these guys to look into other real estate. If all of the t's are crossed and the i's were dotted and the panel rejected it anyway, the city would have had a big fat lawsuit on its hands, one it probably would have lost over the long run.

Despite the Cordoba Center's high-minded rhetoric about healing and stuff, I have noticed that it didn't bother 'em one bit that several families of 9/11 victims found the proposed location at the very least insensitive. Two NYC blocks isn't super close, but it's definitely walking distance. Remains and debris from the WTC certainly went a lot further than two city blocks. If nothing else, this whole thing shows you the intent behind this center isn't as sterling as its proponents claim and it shows you once again, where the ruling class's sympathies truly lie.

[coldblossom.livejournal.com]

Yet Muslim taxi-drivers in the U.S. can refuse to trasport dogs (assist dogs or otherwise) or alcohol because they find them offensive.

We don't want a mosque to Islam built within sight of the place where 3,000 Americans were murdered in its name because we find it offensive.


Yet, their demands were viewed as at least worth consideration. Ours, apparently, are not.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

How far away is far enough?

[zerorevenge.livejournal.com]

How far away is the closest religious building near it?

[zerorevenge.livejournal.com]

Two things.

1.) Nothing really you can do. It is a lose-lose either way.

2.) What's your icon from? :o

[coldblossom.livejournal.com]

1.) *headdesk* I know. :(

2.) "The Last Unicorn." <3

[modernelegance.livejournal.com]

I think it's extremely offensive, but if we want to stand up for what we have always stood for, freedom...then we need to buy up all of the land around this 'cultural center' and do what Vlad did. (AKA Dracula) Erect statues of pigs, fill the area with dogs, and pork butchering shops.

BTW: I'm not seeing trolls, just disagreeing opinions....sure I disagree with them, but no need to get your panties in a wad.

[mosinging1986.livejournal.com]

Now there's an idea!

[kizmet-42.livejournal.com]

I think that we need to trust the Constitution on this one.

I don't want to see a mosque on that site that to them commemorates a victory. But that doesn't override their rights to build on property that they own.

We can certainly turn it around: this is now the mosque near a site that shows we are not conquered and big enough to let them think they have a victory. We can recognize that our Constitution permits them to build because it protects all members of our communities, even those who want us dead.

[ferahgo.livejournal.com]

Finally, a voice of reason. I find it downright disturbing how many conservatives seem to think that their being personally offended by the mosque should override its legal right to be there. (And I'm a conservative.) Fine, you don't like it, it offends you, I don't like it either. But saying that it has no right to be there, or should have been blocked in a manner of dubious legality, strikes me as ridiculously hypocritical.

[shaolin.livejournal.com]

Legally, there was nothing we could ever do about it and I admittedly wouldn't have been pleased if the NYC government had barred the building of the Cordoba House simply because it offends people.

On the other hand, I'm really not sure what good building it there will do for Muslim and non-Muslim relations. I'm not convinced the imam really cares about that anyway. (I'd also be curious to know where he's getting the funding for all of this, but apparently we aren't allowed to know that.)

On the bright side, that block probably won't have to worry about Muslim terrorist attacks once the mosque/cultural whatsit is built.

[sreya.livejournal.com]

On the other hand, I'm really not sure what good building it there will do for Muslim and non-Muslim relations.

THIS!!!!! Totally agree, this is the absolute heart of the matter.

As for your last point, I wouldn't count on it providing any protection. There are plenty of Muslim sects that are more than willing to narrow their definition of "Muslim" down to exclude other sects or groups they disagree with. Plenty of radicalists would probably say that just by living in America, the Muslims in that center are traitors. :~(

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Boy, there's a whole lotta derailing goin' on 'round these here parts. *golf clap*

I, for one, am pretty sure that people who are building a "cultural center" like this--that is going to BY DESIGN cause offense to people who have every right to be offended--really have no interest whatsoever in promoting cultural "understanding." But maybe that's just me.

But I think putting up a dog grooming shop on one side of this "cultural center" and a butcher shop specializing in pork on the other is a capital idea. Let's just see how "tolerant" and "understanding" the Cordova Center would be to something like that...

[mosinging1986.livejournal.com]

If it does end up being built, then I hope someone actually does this. I think that would be a brilliant idea!