http://lucy-chronicles.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] lucy-chronicles.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] therightfangirl2010-01-06 10:34 am

Review for the younger and uninformed; DIVERSITY QUOTAS

Pursuant to the transgender appointee discussion. The point missed by those uneducated (comparatively GOT by the FB community) is the problem w/ a seeming mandatory/quota system. To those who say prove who was passed over, give it a few days and a few bloggers to ferret out interviews on the ground. I sincerely doubt there WEREN'T others who were JUST as qualified if not moreso than the appointed person.

And on another note, at *least* a 'white male' can still be appointed by this administration in these times, beyond the token 'insurance' of Joe Biden!
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Hopwood v. Texas (1996)

In 1992, plaintiff Cheryl Hopwood, a White American woman, was denied admission to the School of Law despite being better qualified than many admitted minority candidates. Texas Monthly editor Paul Burka later described Hopwood as "the perfect plaintiff to question the fairness of reverse discrimination" because of her academic credentials and personal hardships which she had endured (including a young daughter suffering from a muscular disease).[3]

The case of Hopwood v. Texas (1996) was the first successful legal challenge to affirmative action in student admissions since Regents of the University of California v. Bakke (1978) ruled quotas were unconstitutional. The 5th Circuit ruled that the school "may not use race as a factor in deciding which applicants to admit in order to achieve a diverse student body, to combat the perceived effects of a hostile environment at the law school, to alleviate the law school's poor reputation in the minority community, or to eliminate any present effects of past discrimination by actors other than the law school."[

Source - general Wikipedia

UT has thereafter revised the entire admittance system to include essays, personal achievements and other criteria beyond merely grades to constitute admittance. (personal source and the previous Alum website as I am a Texas Ex.)

[identity profile] mosinging1986.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
The point missed by those uneducated (comparatively GOT by the FB community) is the problem w/ a seeming mandatory/quota system.

I've about HAD IT with your insults and condescension here.

If your FB friends are oh-so-better educated than we are here, then why don't you post there and stop wasting your time with the stupid morons who populate this community? Clearly, we're beneath you because we don't "get" whatever points you're always making.

[identity profile] mockingbird39.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
No one missed your point. You simply failed to support it in any way. This post doesn't support it either, btw. Hopwood didn't simply march into the provost's office and scream that she was the better than all the other candidates who were admitted. She presented evidence, refuted evidence produced by the defense and let an impartial panel of jurors decide. THAT is how you prove a point AND how you combat discrimination. Take a freaking lesson.
(reply from suspended user)

[identity profile] kimana83.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with this entire thread. OP, get over yourself.

[identity profile] zerorevenge.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't enjoy being called "uneducated" solely because I didn't believe your tirade against that Transgender Woman..? Man..?

[identity profile] regalpewter.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Transgender woman. Just think of the destination.
YIS,
WRI

MOD NOTE

[identity profile] sopdetly.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I've never had to kick someone out of this comm who wasn't a blatant troll, but your continued disrespect for everyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is approaching intolerable levels.

I suggest you really consider whether or not this community is a place you wish to spend your valuable time. If you think it is, then you need to come back down to Earth with all us mortals.

MOD NOTE PART DEUX

[identity profile] ninepointfivemm.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I really friggin' agree.

[identity profile] regalpewter.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing that we are forgetting in any discussion of this is that these appointments are political by their very nature. Was Ms. Simpson nominated for the position in an attempt to curry favor with a group? Most likely, but it does open the door for folks to realize that trans-folk are able to do a good job. Also, it is being used to curry favor with the Sec. of State's former supporters, amongst who The Leader's popularity is slipping.
I do not see it as any 'quota' system, but rather a repeat of the time-honored tradition of using appointments to pay off political debts. It is used by whichever party is in power.
This can lead to possibly gaining the same legal protections enjoyed by other minorities, such as race and sex. Which we trans-people currently do not enjoy.
I personally believe that none of it should be a factor as to whether one is qualified for a position, but unfortunately many hiring managers do not.
YIS,
WRI


[identity profile] arkadelos.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you trans-gender? If so, that would make you the second conservative trans-gender person I know.

[identity profile] regalpewter.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yes I am Transexual woman. For the record that means I was born male, and am now correcting it.
YIS,
WRI

[identity profile] caromiofic.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
If it walks like a troll and talks like a troll.....

[identity profile] scarletwalk.livejournal.com 2010-01-06 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess you told us!

Next time, we'll jump to conclusions without any knowledge. Shame on us for not doing this earlier.

[identity profile] mockingbird39.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Wouldn't that make us liberals?

[identity profile] mprice.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
(personal source and the previous Alum website as I am a Texas Ex.)
Well, that explains your attitude. When I moved to Austin, I was warned by many that this is Uber-liberal land with UT at its heart.

[identity profile] fenerkulesi.livejournal.com 2010-01-07 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
You never struck me as the type to do something like this. :(