ext_16813 ([identity profile] jessm78.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] therightfangirl2012-08-27 05:21 pm

Campaign 2012, or, Let the mudslinging begin (er. continue?)!

I guess most of you guys either don't talk about politics much on your LJs or you have mostly conservatives on your flist. But for those of you who have liberal flisters, have you experienced any provoking comments yet?

I have an flister who I've met in person a few times. She's a really nice girl but a very strong-minded liberal. Despite our very different political views, we get along well and don't really discuss politics. Today she made a post showing off a button a friend gave her that said "Dogs Against Romney" on it. She told us she was voting for Obama, how strongly held her beliefs are, and five reasons that she's a liberal. She said at the end that she's fine with agreeing to disagree. I told her that's what I love about her, that she can at least be respectful of opposing views. But one of her friends (who isn't on my flist) decides to say "If you have a vagina and are voting the Ronney/Ryan ticket, I judge you. I judge you hard."

It's comments like this that annoy me because they seem like they're looking for a fight. I'm sure this person thinks that not everyone on my friend's flist has the same exact beliefs. And I'm sure there are some out there, but none of the conservatives or libertarians on my flist say things like this. It always seems to be the liberals. More than four years ago a former (thank goodness) flister was ranting "I HATE THE ASSHOLES WHO VOTED FOR BUSH!"

99% of my flist are liberals, so I have a filter for political posts that includes like-minded friends. I know it's my LJ and I should be able to say whatever I want, but I don't feel like slinging mud back and forth with people I otherwise get along with. Has anyone else had to deal with such provoking garbage before? Hoping I'm not alone, lol. I have a feeling it's going to get worse as the weeks go by. *sigh*

[identity profile] neemarita.livejournal.com 2012-08-28 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
I see all over Facebook about how Republicans are all rapists and how if you have a vagina you shouldn't dare vote Republican because you're being raped by the "Party for Rape".

As someone who was molested as a child and almost raped as a teenager, this shit pisses me off so much.

[identity profile] brendala.livejournal.com 2012-08-28 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The "Republicans are a party of rape" comments are not only offensive, but INSANELY hypocritical considering the way Bill Clinton is deified by the left despite the fact that he's spent most of his adult life sexually assaulting powerless women who had the misfortune to work for him. And the less said about the ENTIRE Kennedy family and their record with women, the better.

It seems as if the left has this ghoulish belief that a man can treat women like absolute shit in his personal life; but it'll ALL be forgiven if he just publicly supports things like abortion and Planned Parenthood funding. It's one of the main reasons I identify as a Conservative.

[identity profile] kelincihutan.livejournal.com 2012-08-28 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Sadly, it isn't "as if" they have that belief. Not only do they, leftists have said so in exactly so many words (http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/two-cheers-for-double-standards/). They really do think it's okay to be as anti-woman as you please to someone personally, as long as you believe all the "right" stuff publicly. Apparently individual women are not the reason feminism is important. Who knew?

[identity profile] brendala.livejournal.com 2012-08-28 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, "as if" was the wrong choice of words. My bad.

Reading the comments section of that article hurt my soul. Seriously. I know it shouldn't have surprised me considering the source. But...damn. :(
I mean, how can they still say that Sandra Fluke is just a helpless "private citizen"? The woman sat in front of CONGRESS to try and force her college to bend to her whims! And she had been an activist (and, apparently, a professional student) for YEARS before that!


It's almost funny how liberal women conflate a man being pro-choice as being "pro-women's rights" and a man being pro-life as being misogynist. In my experience, pretty much EVERY man who is pro-abortion doesn't feel that way because he gives a damn about feminism. He feels that way because abortion gives him a "get out of responsibility free" card should a sexual encounter result in a pregnancy.

I wish more conservatives in the media had the balls to call that kind of bullshit out. The only person that comes to mind who has publicly attacked the left for supporting sexual predators like Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy is Ann Coulter.

[identity profile] christina-tm.livejournal.com 2012-08-28 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems as if the left has this ghoulish belief that a man can treat women like absolute shit in his personal life; but it'll ALL be forgiven if he just publicly supports things like abortion and Planned Parenthood funding.

And it's reversed for conservatives. It doesn't matter that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan treat their wives like effin princesses (to quote Mickey Blue Eyes), just that Romney and Ryan don't support abortion.

[identity profile] kimana83.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my word. I just left you a comment requesting to friend you and now I see you used a Mickey Blue Eyes quote. You officially rock even more than your userinfo implies. My family quotes MBE all the time and no one ever gets it!

[identity profile] neverfading.livejournal.com 2012-08-28 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I've noticed that some leftists/feminists have a really creepy preoccupation with the topic of rape.

Mind you, to them, "rape" doesn't just mean actual, physical rape. Anything that offends them is "rape" in a metaphorical sense. If you say something "wrong", if you offend them, if you disagree with them, then you are "raping" people with your words/eyes/attitudes/whatever.

They trivialize the word and trivialize the issue by over-using it. They toss that word around incessantly.

Don't forget that some of the radical feminists of the '60s/'70s believed that ALL heterosexual sex was rape, and that marriage = rape. Presumably some of them still think this way.

Of course, rape is a terrible thing and I'm not downplaying its importance, but IMO the left and certain types of "feminists" have an excessive level of paranoia about rape.

They're obsessed with it. Feminists see "rape" everywhere, because they despise men and consider men inherently evil and guilty.

Todd Akin's comment about "legitimate" rape was poorly-worded and unfortunate, but it brings up a valid point:

Feminists would like men to be guilty until proven innocent (remember those lacrosse players??), and would like "rape" to mean absolutely anything that a woman wants it to mean.

It's sort of like the Salem witch trials: you're guilty no matter what you do or say.

If a woman has sex and later regrets it, feminists want to call that rape. The really nutty ones also want to call "he looked at me funny" rape...

EDIT: oh, and I'm willing to bet that in online circles, the same people who screech about "rape" against women are the same ones who enjoy reading/writing fanfic about male-on-male rape, pedophilia, sadism, etc, and consider it sexy, fun, entertaining, and cute.
Edited 2012-08-28 22:13 (UTC)

[identity profile] neemarita.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 08:07 am (UTC)(link)
I've noticed, since having a baby, that a lot of women talk about birth rape for freakin' cervical checks and vaginal exams. Um. Okay. What? I understand being traumatized by doctors treating you like crap, because that happens a lot with childbirth, and sending you to surgery when you don't need a C-section, but flipping out about medical vaginal exams? WTF?

[identity profile] neemarita.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Being a conservative I've been told I have no legitimacy to speak about sexual assault. I am just shocked at attitudes like that. Just. Horrified. But I am also told I cannot possibly be a woman because I am not for "reproductive rights" (aka free for all abortions) and I think Obamacare is frightening (because as a 26-27 week preemie myself I would have been left for dead, even though I was breathing on my own; I should have died, or been aborted, I've been told!).

[identity profile] brendala.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Being a conservative I've been told I have no legitimacy to speak about sexual assault.

I've heard that one, too.

Honestly, the fact that pretty much EVERYONE on the left not only defended Bill Clinton, but treated HIM like the victim invalidates anything they have to say about feminism, rape culture, reproductive rights, etc. They basically told the whole country that it's OK for a powerful man to sexually abuse helpless women just as long as he graciously allows them to get an abortion afterwards.
No. That is not OK. Either sexual abuse is always wrong or it isn't. The perv's political views shouldn't factor into it.