Oh my...

Jan. 19th, 2005 12:46 pm
[identity profile] lazypadawan.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] therightfangirl


I just read on someone else's Lj regarding this silly "protest" by some unhappy with the election results that consists of not spending any money tomorrow on Inauguration Day. Why anyone who claims to care about "the little guy" would stiff the protelariat for some futile symbolic purpose is beyond me, but I lived in the D.C. area for 14 years through three inaugurations. Were there conservatives protesting on the streets during Clinton's inaugurations? Was Rush calling for all Republicans to boycott businesses to show the right's displeasure? No, of course not. Anyone who disagrees with President Bush had their chance to "protest" November 2. Beyond that, all you're being is a petulant crybaby. It's like Jets fans taking to the streets in protest because the Steelers beat them. Ditto for the whining about security costs (as though it would have cost less if Kerry was the one being inaugurated), the glitziness (but the Golden Globules went on without protest as will the Oscars and Grammys), and so on.

Then there's something else I'm sure many of you can relate to...the liberal fan(s) on your message board or list who just can't keep politics out of their posts. This drives me nuts. If I wanted political debate, I'd go find it elsewhere. Otherwise I'm there to talk about fandom stuff. I don't beat people over the head with my political, social, or religious beliefs. It's less stressful that way. Yet some of these fans either want political debates or they think everyone actually agrees with them. Not all liberal fans do this and sometimes there are fans on the right who insist on pushing their views on everyone. But geez, can't people keep politics out of things just for once?

Date: 2005-01-19 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemonlye.livejournal.com
Amen. I'm in fandom to get away from the "real world"--even though, yes, I know every book/film/show relates to the real world and that's what makes it good. Still, it's the fiction that I like, and finding common ground with fellow fans. I never like to push them away by insisting on spouting my political views in a forum that isn't about politics.

And that "don't spend any money tomorrow" idea is about the dumbest thing ever. They seem intent on bringing down the entire country just because they're not happy. They're like psychotic ex's: "If I can't have you, America, no one will!!" :)

Date: 2005-01-19 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix-starr.livejournal.com
A-men!! I can't remember all the times that I begged authors of fan fics to please keep US politics out of fantasy fan fics or people posting to just keep it to themselves when that is not the general topic being discussed.

As far as the boycott protest, you are absolutely right. It just screams LEFT ideas. Like any of that would even slow down Bush being sworn in as president. Then again about 95% of their ideas have no basis in practical workable application.

I'll tell you something else that really really REALLY pisses me off, is when LJ members from another country say that it's not fair and they should have been allowed to vote in the election. Then Kerry would have won. I have trouble not writing a blasting nasty comment back to them. Usually after I write it, I erase it before I post it, and just leave a note that says that we'd be happy to let them vote... as soon as they've completed their citizenship paperwork to become a US citizen. Of course, the liberals that moan they want to move to Canada I happily give the link to the Canadian web site on citizenship.

Date: 2005-01-19 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kali-kali.livejournal.com
Please, don't send them here! We have enough nitwits. Send them to... umm... well, a lot of the people I know who are complaining are socialists, so let's send them to a nice happy-go-lucky free socialist country.

Oh wait. Those don't exist. Ooops! More proof their ideas don't work.

Date: 2005-01-19 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix-starr.livejournal.com
Well, we could always do a swap. All the sane conservative Canadians come down to the US and we ship our liberals up there... Then they can all go to hell in a hand-basket, and we can live in a nice sane nation.

Date: 2005-01-19 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kali-kali.livejournal.com
Will you take us libertarians too? :)
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Date: 2005-01-20 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kali-kali.livejournal.com
Vancouver is hippy central, so I'm told. And all the hippies I know eventually move out there. So there would have to be a lot of moving going on :)

Date: 2005-01-19 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix-starr.livejournal.com
Only if you act sane and can follow logic and pratical application for solving problems. ;-)

Date: 2005-01-20 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kali-kali.livejournal.com
But of course! Would we be any other way?

Date: 2005-01-19 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sopdetly.livejournal.com
Once again, it occurs to me how awesome my flist is. I need to hug them.

I think I hurt my sides from laughing when I first heard about the "Black Thursday" protest. Yes yes, I'll not go to work and write my boss telling him why. All it would result in me not getting paid for a day of work, and that hurts me, not them (in the long run). And you're exactly right: the day to protest was November 2, and Americans came out in record numbers to state their minds. If more people had spoken out for Kerry and he'd won, I certainly wouldn't begrudge them a peaceful inauguration! I remember watching Clinton's first in school in 4th grade, hehe.

As for the glitz and glamour, apparently during another war or disaster there were no inauguration parties, just the ceremony. Okay, that might be a legitimate criticism, that we're spending money on parties when we could be helping tsunami victims or whatever...but, like you said, if they're so concerned about the tsunami victims, then they could cancel their Oscar parties and donate those saved funds.

*wanders off, blathering to the walls*

Date: 2005-01-19 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix-starr.livejournal.com
No it isn't a legitimate criticism. The inauguration they are talking about is FDR's FOURTH one, and he didn't have a big one because he was sick. Also, it was his 4th for goodness sake.

As far as aid goes, we are sending pots and pots of money over there now. We don't need to send more money, we need to send people to manage it. Take a guess just how much of the relief aid will actually GET to the people needing it. It's about 30 - 50 cents on the dollar. The rest is skimmed off or stolen. Just go back and look at all the despots that became rich because they stole all the "relief aid" that was sent to their countries.

Then again, I rather like your example of we'll do it as soon as they cancel the grammies and golden globe and donate that money.

Date: 2005-01-19 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix-starr.livejournal.com
Oh, and something else of interest speaking of "stealing" and the tidal wave damaged countries. Did you know the the European Consortium is blackmailing poor devastated Twain? Yes they are. They are telling Twain that they have to buy 2 or 3 of their new Air Busses (new super luxury plane they France/Spain/Britain has built). These planes only cost a few million dollars too. If Twain doesn't order these things, they are saying they will slap a tariff on all fish imports from Twain (which must be a big industry). To add to the irony of this is that this plane (which only has the prototype built so far) has yet to leave the ground and fly. Not saying that it can't (I don't know) just it has yet to.

Date: 2005-01-19 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laizeohbeets.livejournal.com
Incidentally, umm... My Conservative Kansas brother-in-law works for Airbus, and I'm pretty damn sure we're making them over here, too.

Date: 2005-01-19 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix-starr.livejournal.com
I'm sure they will sell quite well over here. They seem like the hedonistic thing that we American's would love. Nothing against Airbus, I just don't like the way the Europeans are twisting the proverbial arm of Taiwan.

Date: 2005-01-19 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sopdetly.livejournal.com
Ahh, I hadn't heard which inauguration they were specifically speaking of, and I did qualify my acquiescence with "might" ;) If that's the one they're talking about, then no, that's not a similar situation and we've got apples and pinecones and STFU already!

And I know we're sending plenty of money (I especially liked when the gov't first came out and said one number and the libs bitched about how uncaring Bush is...and then he upped it *tenfold* and they complained that we didn't have that kind of money. Yeah. Way to sound intelligent, folks), but it's still an obvious argument. Not necessarily a good one, because I say live it up, man! But it's one of the less inane gripes the left has had over the inauguration ;)

Help with the logistics

Date: 2005-01-20 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carbonelle.livejournal.com
Mission Aviation Fellowship (maf) (http://www.maf.org/) needs money for fuel and food/water for their pilots who are volunteering to fly supplies in to the folks that need it. Check it out here (http://www.maf.org/aceh/index.html)

But I can and will vouch for these guys - I know some of them personally.

Date: 2005-01-19 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sidecar.livejournal.com
Select students from my high school are attending tomorrow, not only to the inauguration, but to Congressman Gerlach's recpetion as well. The sad part? The two teachers bringing us, and the majority of these students are full on libs who are there to boo and curse the president.

And then there's me. Who has been fighting for a Young Republicans club.

So don't worry--I'll be there with my American flag and Bush 2004 pin. I'll be there to laugh at those who freeze their asses off just to go home angry and pissed. And I'll be there to shout hoorays at Republican Gerlach during the reception.

There are more of us than we let on, it seems. Frankly, I think keeping our numbers a secret is a great idea: It allows for maximum giggle-age when the libs LOSE HORRIBLY.

*cackle*

Date: 2005-01-19 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenix-starr.livejournal.com
Have fun at the Swearing in! It's just too bad that they couldn't take more people that would enjoy it. Wrap up warm. I hear that it bitterly cold there.

Date: 2005-01-19 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyrogue79.livejournal.com
Be sure to cheer extra loud for W. tomorrow. If your classmates glare at you, cheer even louder. ^^

Date: 2005-01-19 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mosinging1986.livejournal.com
You're going, you're going?!

:::dances on your behalf:::

I'm so happy for you-I wish I could be there to cheer you on!

Date: 2005-01-19 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-korone.livejournal.com
There are more of us than we let on, it seems.

Yeah, I think you're right. No one suspects me at my [annoyingly liberal] office, for instance. I'm not a very confrontational person, so I don't look for a fight. I just quietly vote Republican, support some conservative causes in my spare time, and occasionally try to point out things the libs might not have considered.

Kudos on getting to go tomorrow! I hope you have a blast!

Date: 2005-01-19 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-cute-took.livejournal.com
the glitziness (but the Golden Globules went on without protest as will the Oscars and Grammys), and so on.

Yeah, let's see these leftist stars giving up their costly and exorbitant ceremonies (that btw happen EVERY YEAR not every four)...

tomorrow's gonna be fun! I'm partying!

Date: 2005-01-19 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-korone.livejournal.com
Yeah, check out what Snopes has to say about that protest:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/not1dime.asp

Date: 2005-01-19 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainfallsautumn.livejournal.com
Thanks for that link, will pass it on. :)

Incidentally for the "slacktivists" (love that!), the people who come for the Inauguration spend thousands in the DC area and do a lot for our local economy, so I doubt the lack of a few hippies' dimes will matter much.

Date: 2005-01-19 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-korone.livejournal.com
:) Good point. I hope you are right. It just makes me mad - it's a complete misdirection of their anger. They hate Bush, so they take money away from small business owners. Like that makes sense?! Just more reason for businesses to continue supporting Republicans. So really, it may hurt Democrats more than anything (again).

Date: 2005-01-19 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laizeohbeets.livejournal.com
You know what? I'm tempted, out of spite, to go to the most Conservative-supportive stores/services and buy more than I might normally. (Being a "poor college student," buying anything is achieving that. Ha.)

Date: 2005-01-19 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kali-kali.livejournal.com
I agree! On "Buy Nothing Day", I make it a point to go and buy things that the anti-capitalists would particularly scorn on - last November, I bought two Ayn Rand books and a book on female entrepreneurs. Just my way to say "haha, sucker! Not following your day!" ;)

Date: 2005-01-19 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foodsthatcan.livejournal.com
I hope you went to Wal-Mart. ;)

Date: 2005-01-19 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kali-kali.livejournal.com
No, Chapters-Indigo, but I think they're big enough of a company to anger the anti-capitalists ;) Oh wait, they're a business, so that angers them enough already ;)

Date: 2005-01-19 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kc-anathema.livejournal.com
Thank you for reminding me about this boycott thingie! I'd almost forgotten that I have to get to Waldenbooks and my comic shop for my new mangas, and tomorrow's the perfect time to go shopping! :) KC

Date: 2005-01-20 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terrylj.livejournal.com
I'm going to Wal-Mart today and do the week's shopping...thanks for reminding me!

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